[0:52:51 - 0:52:56] So when
Jocke's LA have said that to you, wouldn't he? Yeah, because in the 80s, he got taken in by
[0:52:56 - 0:53:01] that organization. He thinks
Jocke LA is, is co-opted by the government. He absolutely did get
[0:53:41 - 0:53:46] a CIA psychological warfare operation. I don't get that vibe from
Jocke LA though. I think he's a
[0:54:03 - 0:54:10] Yeah.
Jocke LA and I were there for this retreat. Eventually Clayborn Pell, Senator Pell.
[2:31:06 - 2:31:12] don't go look up to this reference at
jockeva ways document from the CIA has it black and white