[0:12:18 - 0:12:29] So I remember a Jacques talking about a document that he accidentally found in the files of Dr. Jalen Hainek, who was a scientific advisor to Project Blue Book.

[0:12:49 - 0:13:07] And Jacques worked with Dr. Hainek. And I guess Hainek was asking him to help organize his files and he came, Jacques Felle, came upon a file of a document that was classified that he shouldn't have seen.

[0:34:17 - 0:34:19] Little Segway, we're talking about Hainek, earlier.

[0:34:19 - 0:34:22] Hainek was a person who came up with a swamp gas thing.