[1:38:44 - 1:38:47] I mean, I know that the people in 
the National Security say, oh, well, you look, they're trying to
                       [1:43:42 - 1:43:52] an active citizen movement of people, unconnected to 
the national security state infrastructure,
                       [1:44:04 - 1:44:12] with them. If we could reach past 
the national security state strictures, uh, and have direct
                       [1:44:18 - 1:44:24] and productive relationship with them, I know this freaks out 
the national security state people
                       [1:58:59 - 1:59:05] of how we deal with 
the national security state has been set up by the United States and the
                       [2:10:37 - 2:10:42] in Richard Dolan who wrote the UFOs in 
the National Security State, he's got the documents right
                       [2:31:13 - 2:31:23] civilian operated tests like this and betting people. And the problem with 
the national security                       [3:26:12 - 3:26:18] security interest and other things. You know, I'm not a great fan of 
the national security state
                       [3:26:43 - 3:26:48] raised in 
the national security state, it becomes their absolute totem, you know, that's what they