[0:25:32 - 0:25:37] you know, in all these, but you know, so I would go and work with Dr. 
Mack on the side,
                       [1:37:04 - 1:37:10] You know, you talked about John 
Mack, he had much more of like a, a, a positive outlook for,
                       [1:42:34 - 1:42:42] When, when, when John 
Mack and I back in Moe must have been 1996, 97 or so,
                       [3:10:19 - 3:10:24] to to very dear friends of mine that Mindy 
Mack, Robert 
Mackintosh was one of my friends from
                       [3:11:06 - 3:11:15] of right now. And Mindy 
Mack said like what? That's where we are right now, you know, with regard to