[0:38:01 - 0:38:08] former director of Naval Intelligence Sumner 
Shapiro. It is unknown if like Inman 
Shapiro served on
                       [0:38:08 - 0:38:13] the NRO. In 1989 Eschler met 
Shapiro under the pretense he was interested in working with the
                       [0:38:13 - 0:38:19] group that managed UFO information and at this time 
Shapiro was retired as director of Naval
                       [0:38:30 - 0:38:36] legacy programs. 
Shapiro told Eschler factions within the US possess extra terrestrial vehicles
                       [0:38:36 - 0:38:41] that he, 
Shapiro had even studied at close quarters. According to the former DNI,
                       [0:38:51 - 0:38:57] exact sequence to be put back together. However, 
Shapiro was incredibly careful with what information
                       [0:39:02 - 0:39:07] information. Eschler would meet 
Shapiro for a second time in the Admiral's Virginia
                       [0:39:16 - 0:39:20] To put this into perspective, it was evident that 
Shapiro had not consulted with Inman regarding
                       [0:39:30 - 0:39:36] hologram of laser artwork depicting the head of an alien creature. 
Shapiro became visibly upset,
                       [0:40:08 - 0:40:14] These involved Empress and Empress II on board EMP generators. Inman and 
Shapiro are not the
                       [1:32:36 - 1:32:42] such as Sumner 
Shapiro Bobby Ray Inman and Nat Cobitz who have all commented on the existence of
                       [1:38:34 - 1:38:40] and sorry excuse me ever it or our evan hindman as well as some nurse 
Shapiro again as i stated
                       [1:38:40 - 1:38:47] i've received no contact back from hindman and i've also tried to contact 
Shapiro's family