[0:01:59 - 0:02:04] We also just started a book club and are currently reading Passport to Magonia by Jacques

[0:44:45 - 0:44:55] Jacques Vallet wrote a book about it answer no idea. So Trinity is something I've not looked into but I've heard about and allegedly this was a crash before Roswell.

[0:17:32 - 0:17:36] It was like, okay, like at that point I had like been plugged in and I like, I had met Jacques

[0:18:44 - 0:18:46] the Jacques Valle's of the world?

[0:25:47 - 0:25:51] like what is that you know that that's this like phrase that like Jacques Vallet himself

[0:34:21 - 0:34:26] fourth Philip the fair was indebted to them and then he got really mad at you know Jacques de

[0:34:48 - 0:34:54] fifth and I think you know Jacques de Mollet was you know he had he had been in touch with the

[0:34:54 - 0:35:00] Clement the fifth and I think Jacques de Mollet might have had like a very interesting worldview

[0:59:10 - 0:59:15] in the entire space because he's just like a genius in life and that's Jacques Vallet yeah

[1:03:43 - 1:03:49] you know a piece of it is a male to Jacques Vallejoqueville like gives it to Gary Nolan from

[1:05:03 - 1:05:10] just take the what was observed the fact that they're a male to Jacques around that and then you have

[1:10:16 - 1:10:23] who maybe have handled this like you said like Fale Jacques Fale and and Gary Nolan haven't

[1:16:35 - 1:16:41] that they're the best theory UFO books since Jacques Vallet and in some ways they're like even better

[1:16:41 - 1:16:47] than some of the Jacques the Jacques stuff's amazing and set the foundation but masters really has it

[0:01:06 - 0:01:13] Jacques Valle is the ultimate archetype of this. He is a serious researcher with the computer science, physics, and astronomy background.

[0:01:29 - 0:01:37] In fact, it's now almost conventional knowledge that if you're an average citizen who encounters a UFO crash, mail the materials to Jacques.

[0:01:37 - 0:01:42] Jacques's books are incredibly dense and detailed, not for the faint of heart.

[0:01:42 - 0:01:50] But if you read them closely, Jacques can drop some truth bombs you won't get anywhere else, like in his book Revelations, Alien Contact in Human Deception.

[0:02:13 - 0:02:21] But perhaps what I find most interesting about Jacques is that he's just as mystical as he is hard-headed and scientific.

[0:02:46 - 0:02:52] he decided to base the character played by Francois Truffaut off of Jacques.

[0:02:52 - 0:02:57] I've been privileged enough to have a few private conversations with Jacques prior to this interview.

[0:03:44 - 0:03:56] So without further ado, hit subscribe, sit back and enjoy this long awaited interview with the French godfather of UFOs, my friend and this week's American Alchemist, the legendary Jacques Bale.

[0:05:48 - 0:05:53] But why would Jacques, at the age of 83, write just another UFO crash story?

[0:06:30 - 0:06:34] This is a point Jacques repeatedly makes in many of his books.

[0:06:52 - 0:07:01] Number two, when Jacques inquired about Trinity, no one with top secret clearances in the US federal government had even heard of the case.

[0:24:26 - 0:24:32] One of my all-time favorite Jacques Valle-books is his 1969 classic, Passport to Magonia.

[0:25:27 - 0:25:31] Jacques Valle, of course, would you disagree with that?

[0:39:44 - 0:39:50] Jacques seems to have a longstanding interest in esotericism and specifically rosicrucianism.

[0:39:50 - 0:40:09] In the 70s, Jacques named both his independent group of UFO researchers and his seminal book about their learnings, the Invisible College, a reference to Robert Boyle's 17th century group of heretical natural philosophers that eventually became the Royal Society and was heavily influenced by rosicrucian ideas.

[0:56:30 - 0:56:40] And so, around that time, I bet Jacques and others and I said, hey, we've got this stuff, you know, and here's like, here's like a whole bunch of them.

[0:56:48 - 0:56:51] These are all from mostly through Jacques.

[0:57:01 - 0:57:19] Jacques has spent enormous amount of time over the decades, tracing the stories, getting a chain of custody, speaking to the people individually, speaking to the people around the people, and accepting nothing as, you know, as it's told.

[0:12:18 - 0:12:29] So I remember a Jacques talking about a document that he accidentally found in the files of Dr. Jalen Hainek, who was a scientific advisor to Project Blue Book.

[0:12:49 - 0:13:07] And Jacques worked with Dr. Hainek. And I guess Hainek was asking him to help organize his files and he came, Jacques Felle, came upon a file of a document that was classified that he shouldn't have seen.

[0:14:24 - 0:14:32] Yeah, I remember that part of that movie and then I interviewed Jacques and I think I had forgotten that there was a deeper program than Blue Book.

[0:29:25 - 0:29:33] Jacques Valle had just met with Dr. Heineck at Wright Patterson Air Force Base in Dayton, Ohio in 1964.

[0:50:46 - 0:50:48] Jacques Follet, was it right there?

[1:42:31 - 1:42:34] Jacques Vallet just wrote a book with a woman named Paula Harris.

[1:50:14 - 1:50:16] Jacques Vallet is convinced that they had orders

[1:50:22 - 1:50:25] I ultimately said, Jacques, it's here say I can't do it

[1:50:26 - 1:50:29] But Jacques convinced that we have a piece of that from 1952.

[1:54:12 - 1:54:16] in 1978 that was put on by at least Beagle and Jacques

[2:12:12 - 2:12:14] carefully with the help of Jacques Valle

[0:23:57 - 0:24:02] Legendary French UFO researcher Jacques Vallet told me the exact same thing.

[0:57:17 - 0:57:23] but books like American Cosmic by Day and a Pasalca and Passport to Magonia by Jacques Ballet,

[1:01:58 - 1:02:01] whether it be Jacques Vallet, or, you know,

[1:02:02 - 1:02:04] Jacques Vallet built the earliest version of the internet,

[1:09:45 - 1:09:50] to think and would love to meet Lazar myself and ask him what he meant when he told Jacques

[1:23:08 - 1:23:12] Jacques de laille describes a woman in San Jose seeing this you know flying saucer. She walks in.

[0:02:21 - 0:02:50] Anyway, long story that started the connection, Jacques the lay came out to see me. He was the first one and then some other people came out to see me and then I got briefed briefed on two or three times and then I met Lou, who I knew of, but I didn't I didn't know his last name. I knew it was as Louie and I didn't know anything else, but anyway, I went down and went into his, his conference room in the inner corridors of the Pentagon.

[1:05:24 - 1:05:29] and I remember when Jacques came to my house and you know he spent the whole day with us and

[1:52:40 - 1:52:44] and a Jacques, you know, you know, actually built, Jacques, really actually built the data programs

[2:25:57 - 2:26:00] I also, Jacques fillet for a long time.

[2:27:41 - 2:27:43] You told me Jacques Vallet showed you a photo of you.

[2:28:15 - 2:28:16] I'm going to call it Jacques.

[0:01:51 - 0:01:58] Justain Lee, the year before, or two years before, we had uncovered that in the Dr. Jacques

[0:39:51 - 0:39:55] And that's the Jacques Vallet kind of control system hypothesis. That was one of the things that

[1:22:57 - 1:23:02] Jacques de la Contrôle system thing, it knows how to nip at the herd so like a new go, you know,

[1:36:56 - 1:37:04] before the show Jacques Vallet you know was just on Joe Rogan. And you know when I speak to Jacques

[1:43:28 - 1:43:34] us to ascend outside of the cave yeah and I asked Jacques Valle this I said are there protocols and

[1:50:20 - 1:50:26] like like Jacques Vallet talks about you know maybe these aren't space aliens but if we start to

[2:05:05 - 2:05:10] fascinating you have Jacques the like you know calling his working group on UFO you a pho you a

[1915.00s - 1921.00s] they might, as Jacques described in one of your previous broadcasts, a mountain peak.

[4640.00s - 4646.00s] And, of course, as you know from interviewing Jacques Vallee, he dug into literature and found out, you know,