[0:14:16 - 0:14:22] So this program as described by by Shellenberger in his article and and what you've shared with me

[0:15:53 - 0:15:58] I don't know if that person has been in contact with Shellenberger. I don't know if that person

[0:15:58 - 0:16:04] Shellenberger said that he had been in physical context. So I have bulls down to one person is there more than that that no it was not one person

[0:16:39 - 0:16:44] Sure, we can all deduce that from what was reported by Michael Shellenberger. No problem

[0:17:04 - 0:17:10] You've got one person that is public that obviously has talked with with Shellenberger a person

[0:17:46 - 0:17:54] Shellenberger's article has obviously been read on capital hill by a lot of these people especially the names that we mentioned who are interested here in this subject

[0:18:38 - 0:18:43] Michael Shellenberger said that members of Congress are made aware that is 100% true

[0:19:29 - 0:19:34] That has been referenced in some reports Michael Shellenberger has said there's a 20 something page document

[0:21:50 - 0:22:17] I do think that the Immaculate Constellation author went to Shellenberger because he was a respected journalist that has fought for transparency and government that's what makes this so ironic that the guy would just sit there and you know take it on not take it on the chin but would just sit there and not correct an error it was it was it was really bizarre.

[0:27:36 - 0:28:05] I think that could have partly been down to a lot of the questions put to him and who they were put from and then like I say Michael Shellenberger again highly respected journalist you could have sat a cardboard cut out there you know and you'd have probably got similar and just attached a document to them because he representing someone else's story you know so I don't know if part of that is just the impact that the the grush hearing had and the kind of bombshells and the