[0:24:28 - 0:24:34] Paul 
Benowitz and seeing how this this world really works behind the scenes, like I have
                       [0:25:05 - 0:25:09] So they thought, okay, if we can just throw a couple curveballs through Paul 
Benowitz,
                                                                                                               [0:41:48 - 0:41:53] There's so many reasons to get in front of and do something like that and 
Ben Rich, who
                                                                                         [0:57:54 - 0:57:58] So that he explained it like he was like foil that you could 
bend around and it would
                       [1:37:16 - 1:37:20] Mike, you know, Mike 
Benz is reporting on all this like USAID, like, you know, backchannel
                       [1:43:47 - 1:43:50] We have the 
benefit of talking to the people on the fringes and the people in the center
                                                                                         [3:24:22 - 3:24:27] No, the the um, the Mike 
Ben stuff really illuminates all that disinformation,